what are people thoughts on them,
ive been thinking about manufacting some,
ive noticed they are around $150 for a set (two spacers)
Would any one on here be interested in buying for a factions of the cost,
id also take parts for swaps n things like that......
I only just read the rules about selling stuff. with a 25 post count.
i apoligize although i have been seeking parts for my car through this fourm.
im in need of 147 silver front bar- and a top speed limter remover thinggy,
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject:
beaubroc wrote:
I only just read the rules about selling stuff. with a 25 post count.
i apoligize although i have been seeking parts for my car through this fourm.
im in need of 147 silver front bar- and a top speed limter remover thinggy,
i have a silver front bar not in best condition but if your interested id be keen on spacers ? _________________
Slowly rebuilding the aristo will get there one day only 2 years in the making lol
yea kool no promises yet, but i am aiming for them to be priced from $100-$150 for a set being two 25mm spacers, umm 5 STUD 114.2mm and madde from 7075 graded alloy, (which is aircraft grade)
farrken strong. i will keep every one updated and should have started the process by tax time
(prices may vary).
the more people that express there intrest the price will only drop as its cheaper for me to run off 20 on a machine as opposed to making 6
more people that inquire the lower the price will go.
if i can get 30 spacers made the price may vary. as its cheaper to manufacture in bulk.
whats the point if i cant sell them.
Last freaked with by beaubroc on Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:56 pm; freaked 1 time in total
I actually am interested depending on price, quality and available widths....that's why I am following this thread.
remember the wider we go, the more material used.
quality will not be substitue or quantity, hence the 7075 grade of alloy if you research it you will find that it is aircraft grade, studs will have to be made from tensile steel and tig welded in unless i can subistute by using a bolt on the rim side of the spacer countersunk into the spacer itself...
there will be different ways to do it, but i dont want them shitting them selfs while your slding a corner or driving down the high way
i personally think that the counter sunk in studs would be stronger compared to welded on studs?? as long as the studs are strong enough to carry our cars. also the holes and studs have to be sooooo precise that there has to be almost no play.
im not trying to be too negative but brand new i can get a pair of 25mm spacers from an acutal shop for under $150 i think they are 130.. now why im saying this is that if i tell that same shop ill buy 10pairs im almost 100% sure they will end up costing very close to $100/pair. so your prices will be the biggest factor in people actually buying these. so if you are saying making 30 may change prices wont really give confidence to too many other's to show interest in this.
i still am keen to see how you go. ill prob be keen on 2 x 25mm and if my bro is keen then 2 x 20 or 25mm as well. i also have a few mates who may be keen.
also most sets bought commercially come with a full set of nuts to suit as well. so something more to think about cost wise
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject:
beaubroc wrote:
JayVee wrote:
I actually am interested depending on price, quality and available widths....that's why I am following this thread.
remember the wider we go, the more material used.
quality will not be substitue or quantity, hence the 7075 grade of alloy if you research it you will find that it is aircraft grade, studs will have to be made from tensile steel and tig welded in unless i can subistute by using a bolt on the rim side of the spacer countersunk into the spacer itself...
there will be different ways to do it, but i dont want them shitting them selfs while your slding a corner or driving down the high way
This might sound a bit argumentative although that's not my intention. But have you ever even seen spacers in real life, as in held some in your hands and had a look at them? Cause some of the things you have said would make me think you prob haven't. Also you cant weld high tensile steel to aluminum of any kind. And why would you bother making studs when you can buy them off a shelf with nuts and just press fit them into holes pre cut into the spacers you machine up? _________________
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- you cant weld high tensile steel to aluminum of any kind.
- why would you bother making studs when you can buy them off a shelf with nuts and just press fit them into holes pre cut into the spacers you machine up?
i actually was thinking these above points as well. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:02 am Post subject:
Im 100% sure this will come down to cost as well mate. If you can sell me a set of 25mm spacers for 'a fraction of the cost' then I will consider getting them and using them if I feel like it later on. If however, they end up at 80-90% of the cost of what I could otherwise buy them for anyway, I'm going to wait til I a) need them, and b) know exactly what size I want. 25mm spacers are no good if I want 35mm ones or 15mm ones.
You can't organize a custom make & group buy of an item that is a pretty narrow market, then make heaps of overhead on the sales. It's just not possible to make it cheap AND make money off it. If it was, someone else would've already done it =) _________________
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I actually am interested depending on price, quality and available widths....that's why I am following this thread.
remember the wider we go, the more material used.
quality will not be substitue or quantity, hence the 7075 grade of alloy if you research it you will find that it is aircraft grade, studs will have to be made from tensile steel and tig welded in unless i can subistute by using a bolt on the rim side of the spacer countersunk into the spacer itself...
there will be different ways to do it, but i dont want them shitting them selfs while your slding a corner or driving down the high way
This might sound a bit argumentative although that's not my intention. But have you ever even seen spacers in real life, as in held some in your hands and had a look at them? Cause some of the things you have said would make me think you prob haven't. Also you cant weld high tensile steel to aluminum of any kind. And why would you bother making studs when you can buy them off a shelf with nuts and just press fit them into holes pre cut into the spacers you machine up?
im an engineer by trade mate, thanks any way. i have specilist equipment and can machine a wheel spacer to 100th of a mill. im likeing people opinions though, the press fit studs are good idea yes, and you can weld alloy to steel. using tig.
i am very open to ideas fellas, press fitting studs are a time saver bolting the spacer on itself and cost effective
Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 2008 Location: BRISBANE, QLD
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:11 pm Post subject:
I've heard this old chessnut alot of times over the years but no one has ever shown me proof of it actually been able to be done. The idea of welding a ferrous metal to non ferrous aluminum alloy is flawed in alot of ways. Even if someone has figured out how to do it I doubt the welded joint would be mechanically strong enough to be relied upon.
Even if you can weld them together I'd say it would blow your spacers out to $500 a pair, as there is going to be bugger all people that could do it and the setup and consumables needed would be hugely expensive. _________________
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I've heard this old chessnut alot of times over the years but no one has ever shown me proof of it actually been able to be done. The idea of welding a ferrous metal to non ferrous aluminum alloy is flawed in alot of ways. Even if someone has figured out how to do it I doubt the welded joint would be mechanically strong enough to be relied upon.
Even if you can weld them together I'd say it would blow your spacers out to $500 a pair, as there is going to be bugger all people that could do it and the setup and consumables needed would be hugely expensive.
u could get quite a bit of interest if you expanded your project to other car clubs...PLENTY of the em in oz...the jzs community is very small compared to lets say....the honda club of aus, or toymods, or any of the big east sider forums (jdmst for eg) _________________
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