Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: BRAKES...........AND PADS....???????????
ok peeps............have had this a lot ,just lately......so i thought i would start a thread..??
and peeps with more nounce than me can put ,their 2 bob worth in..!!!
brakes........like most of us... am in total agreeance ,that the stock 147 brakes are ...SHIT..!!!!!
to say the least..!!!
it amazes me ,that some,do this & that ,to make a 147 perform quicker............
but have a total disregard for the brakes on the car..???????
i personally have the "celsior" UCF 20/21..4 piston brakes fitted with bigger discs & nightpager
kit...at this point,it does not matter ,if u have these or the "supra" 4 pots fitted...!!!
the above is a definite improvement over the stock setup..!!!
NOW...............we get to pads.....??????????????
i have NOT..come across pads yet,that will give u "all round" fantastic brakes...!!!!
i have fitted pads....that are very good, (once hot...!!) BUT.......... for the first 50 kys of
travelling, if there was anything to "jump" in front of me ,i would hit it..!!!
i have had soft pads fitted.......great from a standing start...!!!!!!
but once they got "hot" were bloody useless...!!!!!!!!!!........and very....dusty...!!!!!!!!
at the moment...i am running with "ceramic" pads..??..seem ok from cold..!!!
have a fair "bite" on them as they heat up...!!!
BUT..........again.......start "boy racing" around,and they get "hot"...i get brake fade...!!!!!!
something shocking...!!!!!
and as most of us would know... u CANT have ceramic pads,with slotted or drilled rotors..!!!!!
WHY..???????
cause the ceramic content of the pads ,quickly fill in the slots or holes..!!!!!!!
rendering your expensive discs............useless...!!!!!!!!
so peeps.............i throw it out there..???????????
what brake setup...........or more important.........what pads do u believe are a good
compromise, in regard to giving u ..... "all round" good brakes...????????????
if there is such a thing...to be had...?????????...........cheers nick.......
i can only speak as i find warefare..........???
i have had.......NO....problems with ...just the fronts done, on my car..!!!!!!!
i am useing just "toyota pads" to the rear mate...!!
no dash lights,warning lights or any of that shit..!!!
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 2546 Location: Adelaide
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject:
weakest link is the frign BMC and nitrogen gay . Im interested in just doing lines , slotted rotors and some green stuff to get some bite and get rid of the sponge.....
Ferodo DS-2500 are a very good pad. I have used them before and they have a lot of stopping power without being useless at low temp. My cousin uses Ferodo DS-3000 on his evo 9 which he tracks all the time and they have massif stopping power but they can squeal if you don't brake hard for a while. When they start squealing he just goes up in the hills and gives them a good flogging and they stop again.
I have been hearing very good things about Project Mu "B Force" pads also. A lot of guys with modified evo's and STi's run them as a street pad because they have stopping power, they still work when cold and they are low dust (for a performance pad).
Regardless of what brake system you have braided lines and good fluid will also make a considerable difference to brake feel.
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 3441 Location: Melbourne Australia
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:04 am Post subject:
Now firstly, I haven't been in a car with the 4 pots. However, I have been in a stock Aristo with stock brakes.
I currently have braided lines, good fluid, re-built calipers and Japanese performance pads.
Now, I am quite pleased with the performance of the brakes. (Just to throw a spanner in the works.) I guess the sticking point for me is that I don't think that 4 pots would fit on my car. The stock ones only just clear as it is!
I would always go braided lines first, before making a decision to go 4 pots. It made a huge difference!
Chris
Last freaked with by christodav on Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:18 am; freaked 1 time in total
Now firstly, I haven't been in a car with the 4 pots. However, I have been in a stock Aristo with stock brakes.
I currently have braided lines, good fluid, re-built calipers and Japanese performance pads.
Now, I am quite pleased with the performance of the brakes. (Just to through a spanner in the works.) I guess the sticking point for me is that I don't think that 4 pots would fit on my car. The stock ones only just clear as it is!
I would always go braided lines first, before making a decision to go 4 pots. It made a huge difference!
Chris
I guess it all depends on your idea of whats "good". If you spend some time driving a car with brembos or AP's regularly your ideas on what is good or acceptable change.
I'm not saying that a risto with upgraded lines, pads and fluid isn't going to stop okay but for a car that weighs what it does with well over 200 killerwasps and no engine braking from a manual trans the standard stoppers certainly have a big task in front of them.
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 3441 Location: Melbourne Australia
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:24 am Post subject:
Rorz wrote:
christodav wrote:
Now firstly, I haven't been in a car with the 4 pots. However, I have been in a stock Aristo with stock brakes.
I currently have braided lines, good fluid, re-built calipers and Japanese performance pads.
Now, I am quite pleased with the performance of the brakes. (Just to through a spanner in the works.) I guess the sticking point for me is that I don't think that 4 pots would fit on my car. The stock ones only just clear as it is!
I would always go braided lines first, before making a decision to go 4 pots. It made a huge difference!
Chris
I guess it all depends on your idea of whats "good". If you spend some time driving a car with brembos or AP's regularly your ideas on what is good or acceptable change.
I'm not saying that a risto with upgraded lines, pads and fluid isn't going to stop okay but for a car that weighs what it does with well over 200 killerwasps and no engine braking from a manual trans the standard stoppers certainly have a big task in front of them.
I don't disagree with your comments at all. However, to say that the standard brakes with the 'upgrades' I have done are rubbish is a little over the top!
I guess it is all a balancing act. The higher performance brakes you get, the hotter they have to be to perform. The lower the spec, when they heat up....brake fade.
If I had the wheel clearance, I would also consider upgrading my calipers. But all I am saying is that I don't believe that the stock brakes are all that bad.
i am with u chris....with the stock setup mate...i done all of this with mine..!!!
started with ...a full brake flush...new discs..."i had wobble"....
then changed pads........had 4 sets in now..!!!.......then went the braided hoses...!!!!!!!!
....this did help..!!!...then the 4 pots,up front..!!!
the main reason for starting this chris.................was to pick members brains/and get there
comments, on what is working for them..????
i have bled my brakes more times ,than eaten beans on toast..!!!!
i will be straight here...!!!
i have no fucking confidence with my brakes,if i had to stop very quickly..over the speed
limit..!!!!!!!!!!!.........u would have to give me a lot of distance,and a few pumps on the pedal..??
for saying i have spent a small fortune,trying to improve the brake
system on my car...........i AM ...at a level ,i am STILL...not happy with..!!!!!!!!
maybe its because ,i am an old fussy fucker with MY...brakes..!!!!
at the moment chris...my biggest gripe,with mine is.....FADE...??????????
but...YES...loving the input guys.....keep it coming..!!!! thats why we are here..??.....nick...
Now firstly, I haven't been in a car with the 4 pots. However, I have been in a stock Aristo with stock brakes.
I currently have braided lines, good fluid, re-built calipers and Japanese performance pads.
Now, I am quite pleased with the performance of the brakes. (Just to through a spanner in the works.) I guess the sticking point for me is that I don't think that 4 pots would fit on my car. The stock ones only just clear as it is!
I would always go braided lines first, before making a decision to go 4 pots. It made a huge difference!
Chris
I guess it all depends on your idea of whats "good". If you spend some time driving a car with brembos or AP's regularly your ideas on what is good or acceptable change.
I'm not saying that a risto with upgraded lines, pads and fluid isn't going to stop okay but for a car that weighs what it does with well over 200 killerwasps and no engine braking from a manual trans the standard stoppers certainly have a big task in front of them.
I don't disagree with your comments at all. However, to say that the standard brakes with the 'upgrades' I have done are rubbish is a little over the top!
I guess it is all a balancing act. The higher performance brakes you get, the hotter they have to be to perform. The lower the spec, when they heat up....brake fade.
If I had the wheel clearance, I would also consider upgrading my calipers. But all I am saying is that I don't believe that the stock brakes are all that bad.
Maybe some of you haven't driven a stock Falcon?
Nick, I hope you find an answer!
Chris
Where did I say that upgraded standard brakes are rubbish? For a standard setup on a passanger car in 1991-1996 they are fairly decent especially when upgraded with pads/lines/fluid.
It's only when you are running considerably more power than standard and start comparing them to supra 4 pots or brembos they start to seem a bit average.
Chris - I had slotted rotors, TomsRacing braided brake lines and greenstuff pads. Some would argue that you can't get much better pads than the green stuffs..
That said the difference going from the 2 pots to the 4 pots was incredible.. The car was too hard to pull up before - even worse at high speeds - Now with the 4 pots I can send a passenger through the front windscreen if the need ever arises..
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