Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 1148 Location: melb, aus.
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: Current aristo prices
There has always been a huge differences in prices for aristos. I'm just wondering how much people have actually paid for them when purchasing from a local seller? Alternatively, what have you managed to sell your aristo for recently?
Japanese auction prices seem to be right down at the moment, and compliance has also become cheaper. It does not appear difficult to import a very decent example for $11k, which makes me wonder if these cars are worth anymore than say $13k in the local market (unless you're talking a somewhat heavily modified vehicle, i.e. manual conversion or big single). They are going the way of the soarer.
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 2546 Location: Adelaide
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:
yeh
Oh well... depends, mine still sticks out from the crowd as it is 4B with leather and roof . It also comes down to people wanting to check it out in the flesh. Im gonna keep mine for a while longer like probably 2 years. No doubt i will lose a fair bit of money paid 14k all up.
As per carsales i think most people would be able to get around 13-15k in Australia.
Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 1148 Location: melb, aus.
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject:
it would be interesting to do a poll to see exactly how rare leather + sunroof is. im sure quite a few of us on here, including myself, ended up with those options. mine is also a late model, black, LSD, etc, and I could not easily sell it.
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 2546 Location: Adelaide
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject:
xscape wrote:
it would be interesting to do a poll to see exactly how rare leather + sunroof is. im sure quite a few of us on here, including myself, ended up with those options. mine is also a late model, black, LSD, etc, and I could not easily sell it.
black , roof, lsd and leather is pretty rare.
If you just monitor the uss auctions they definately are..
depends on what you are trying to sell for, unless you have great mods like turbo mods , fuel system etc i think you can kiss away the ideas of 18k plus these days.
just monitor carsales.com.au http://tinyurl.com/5t63gf
by the look of that i could probably fob mine for like 12-13k
There is one for 10k , which seems a bit weird.
I dont think they are another soarer just yet..
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 1247 Location: Beerwah QLD
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:38 am Post subject:
I only paid 4 grand for mine but drive away it was more like 10.5k. I just sold the Soarer for 7.
The arse dropped out of the import market when the licensing restrictions for younguns came in - the only money for imports is in the high end late model stuff now.
Options like leather don't seem to affect the price of the car all that much at this end of the market.
Arse end dropped out at about the start of the year with no-one having anymore money due to fuel prices / interest rates and as Brad has suggested that compliance has become alot cheaper (competition) & or there again the aus dollar is very strong against the Jap yen.
Just like houses taking longer sell as you can now probally get some true bargains for well under 15k in regards to Aristo's
2yrs ago mine imported was 11.5k '96 model as modified it for 5k as spent another 12.5k with single / 6spd conversion but that'll get alot cheaper when i move some quality parts
Anycase alot of others car manufacturers around our age of cars have had the arse end drop out aswell !
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: Yen for the Yen
Aristoman wrote:
...or there again the aus dollar is very strong against the Jap yen.
When I got mine, Nov. 2007, the Yen was just over 105 so it's actually a little weaker at the moment but I notice it has risen steadily over the 100 for a while now (along with the $US which is just insane now).
If you're buying anything for your car now, always check out the online US retailers first as the prices are very good (even with 4 day shipping!)
As long as there are places like Supermerc selling them for 16k+, there'll still be a decent market to sell them privately for 13k+, even for just clean examples, not nessesarily special. I've paid around 10.5k inc compliance so far, and mine is pretty neat. Great interior (only cloth), no sunroof or LSD, but still is turbo'd and only has what seems to be a genuine 43000km's on it.
Still need to spend a lot of money on it, as everyone does, especially since it's a used car. Some tasty little maintenance based upgrades on the way too. I expect to spend another 10-15k on it over the next few years, apart from the coilovers and wheels I've already purchased, on these upgrades and maintenance.
BUT, Toyotas from that era seem to hold their value pretty well. A good example of this is the MR2 SW20 I think, as well as a few others.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:42 am Post subject:
sw20 only held its value because you can no longer import them, thanks to the end of the 15 year rule. there is also a niche for them. i sold mine (turbo rev 1 in white/blue pearl) for $10k just last year.. i have to say that the aristo is a FAR better car for the money.
for less than $20k you can import an evo 7 (which i am currentl doing) or even a v35 skyline coupe, which is virtually a 350z with a back seat.
Since this is a thread for Aristo prices, who'd care to throw an estimate of what a manual Aristo might fetch, I guess anybody selling one would really be looking for somebody who was dead keen on a manual to pay the premium for it...
Without knowing an awful lot about the idea, probably not a lot more. Depends on clutch/flywheel/box used, etc. Basing it on a standard heavy duty clutch (not some exy brand, just like an Exedy or something), a good condition box... maybe add 2-3k on what the car would otherwise attract? Might add less to the car value than the total cost of parts alone for the conversion. Just the way things go I guess.
Good example is other used cars with conversions. Eg, Cressida with manual 1JZ. Despite the cost of a base car, half cut, etc, you'd probably still pay only 2k over what a standard Cressie would cost, despite epic cost and time to do the conversion. That's got about the same market as a manual 'risto I'd imagine...
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Since this is a thread for Aristo prices, who'd care to throw an estimate of what a manual Aristo might fetch, I guess anybody selling one would really be looking for somebody who was dead keen on a manual to pay the premium for it...
What might one fetch?
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Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 1148 Location: melb, aus.
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:27 am Post subject:
compared to an identical auto aristo, i dont think its unreasonable to expect at least $3k extra for a 5-speed. rare as hens teeth and there are not too many people who wouldnt prefer a manual. have a look at jzx100s, the manuals are fetching upwards of an extra 5 to 8 grand over auto examples.
Hi guys,
I am selling a 1993 aristo with leather, sunroof, LSD, exhaust, suspension, 18"..etc for $16,500. Do you guys think thats a good deal?
http://www.jzs147.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2834 _________________
Dammit, had a big reply all typed up, again, something buggered up and fail occurred.
ANYWAY.
The JZX100 series is still pretty pricey in some conditions. Last I saw, good manual ones go for 23k+? Yeah, the manual ones are still popular, but remember that they're still young enough to be popular with Japanese youth and viable for rego. This adds the 2-3k I mentioned earlier, but then you pay for this in duty, etc, when it gets over here. There's a few other things too, but yeah, I wouldn't say comparing a JZS147 to a JZX100 is reasonable in terms of price.
I still think 2-3k is a reasonable add on price for a basic manual conversion. Remember it doesn't matter what you do to a car, it's pretty hard to break more than 20% of what the base price for that chassis is regardless of modifications. Considering, I'd say, the bulk of people buy an Aristo for the uniqueness of the car, style that comes with it, looks of the car in general, and comfort, I don't think swapping to a manual is going to improve the price very much. If someone wanted a sports car, they'd buy one; there are better cars out there for spirited driving than a 1700kg+ luxobarge. There are plenty with more tune-a-bility out there too in regards to suspension settings, chassis stiffening, etc, etc.
Just my 2c.... I know, not the kinda thing someone wants to hear who's put epic time and money into a conversion, but hey, it's the truth me thinks.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject:
while i agree with that, one slight variation in this circumstance is the rarity of manual jzs147s. i dont think i have EVER seen one for sale in australia. to get your hands on one, you can either shell out $10k in importing a half cut or buy the parts for $3k+ and hope you can find a mechanic who has the skills to make it all work without charging a fortune. its not a total straight fit.
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. It also comes down to people wanting to check it out in the flesh. Im gonna keep mine for a while longer like probably 2 years. No doubt i will lose a fair bit of money paid 14k all up.
I expect to spend another 10-15k on it over the next few years, apart from the coilovers and wheels I've already purchased, on these upgrades and maintenance.
