Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: Help me out
Hey guys,
Can you all please help me out with a bit of a predicament im in.
Currently im selling my Magna (audio install worth as much as the car haha) with the intent on getting something japanese made and/or newer.
I was looking at a few cars in the range of VE commodore, Nissan V35, GTS-R R33, R34 GT-T, S15, Galant VR-4 etc when a mate of mine told me hes selling his Aristo.
its a Silver 1993 Toyota Aristo with 100,000kms, 2JZ-GTE.
The offer was for $8000
What i want to know from you guys, is if you were in my position, would you go for the aristo? Keeping in mind my original budget for a new car was 15k, maybe blowing out to 17k.
The aristo is 18 years old, which can be a long time for a car. Is there anything i should be looking out for? Is it at a point where things are just going to be falling off so often its not worth it?
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 4010 Location: Perth, WA
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject:
Depends on the car mate.
There are some absolute gems around that you would never know they were 20yrs old they look 5-10 Tops!
There are others that are shitheaps.. everything falling apart, torn,stain, etc.
What car is it? Amongst the community on here we usually know OF most of them in Aus.. _________________
1994 Black JZS147 Aristo - RIP. Went swimming
New 1992 Aristo Project
Sorry guys you wouldnt know it. My mate has had it scince it was imported, and its been stock since it came here.
Him and his missus say the car hasnt missed a beat, and the motor is great, but the dash needs a few plastics replaced, and theres a small scatch in the front fender. Other then that its mint.
I checked on carsales and its a good 2+ grand cheaper then aristos of the same milage.
yeah i was 100% going to get a 3rd party inspection, and i know my mate well enough that he would refuse to sell me the car if he thought i would have any problems with it.
Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 2400 Location: Newcastle nsw nsw
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject:
-ToM- wrote:
yeah i was 100% going to get a 3rd party inspection, and i know my mate well enough that he would refuse to sell me the car if he thought i would have any problems with it.
in good condition they are a great car and most people who own them love them they have a lot of problems with the stock turbo setup playing up but when going good they are an awesome car _________________
Slowly rebuilding the aristo will get there one day only 2 years in the making lol
body wise etc its nice, and the small things i can fix myself. I had a commodore i put a lot of time and effort into, and it became a bit of a hobby. A part of me wants to rekindle that hobby.
What im more worried about is mechanical reliability. I've never been much of a mechanic, and the thought of having to rebuild a 2JZ doesnt appeal to my wallet.
a pic of my old commodore, which amazingly enough, was the same year.
wouldn't bother with a Commonwhore or a Falcodore. Stuff NEESAN not worth the problems that happen once you start modifing once on thing needs doing soon another thing needs replacing and the nissans you have quoted like r33 are police magnets as are s15's and silvias. where as Aristo complete stealth machine with huge power and style potential most 18 year old cosmetic issues can be fixed. Best investment i ever made switching from Datsuns cousin to Yota's Hero.
You would have to be pretty unlucky to have to rebuild a 2JZ if it broke. it does happen but no where near as much as commonwhores and Nissans Rb's specifically break really easily once approaching 400hp GTR's can handle a bit more But 2jz's handle 500hp with ease. Strictly bottom end speaking.
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Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 2400 Location: Newcastle nsw nsw
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject:
-ToM- wrote:
body wise etc its nice, and the small things i can fix myself. I had a commodore i put a lot of time and effort into, and it became a bit of a hobby. A part of me wants to rekindle that hobby.
What im more worried about is mechanical reliability. I've never been much of a mechanic, and the thought of having to rebuild a 2JZ doesnt appeal to my wallet.
the 2jz itself is one of the strongest factory motors out
like i said you will eventualy have turbo problems easyest thing is save and go big single _________________
Slowly rebuilding the aristo will get there one day only 2 years in the making lol
Hmm, the other thing was i had been meaning to buy myself a weekender. Maybe i could drive the aristo for a couple years, then retire to that weekender i wanted, and take my "hobby" to the next level.
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Help me out
-ToM- wrote:
Hey guys,
I was looking at a few cars in the range of VE commodore, Nissan V35, GTS-R R33, R34 GT-T, S15, Galant VR-4 etc when a mate of mine told me hes selling his Aristo.
What i want to know from you guys, is if you were in my position, would you go for the aristo?
Cheers
Tom
Nearly everyone on here will tell you to take the Aristo, because it is an Aristo forum. They are as reliable as any other car if it has been looked after. As much as i like Aristos, id buy the car that you like the most. Im sure if you went on a silvia or skyline forum, they would tell you how great Nissans are.
Id buy the car that suits your needs and does what you want it to do. They are all very different cars.
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Help me out
V.I.P. Aristo wrote:
-ToM- wrote:
Hey guys,
I was looking at a few cars in the range of VE commodore, Nissan V35, GTS-R R33, R34 GT-T, S15, Galant VR-4 etc when a mate of mine told me hes selling his Aristo.
What i want to know from you guys, is if you were in my position, would you go for the aristo?
Cheers
Tom
Nearly everyone on here will tell you to take the Aristo, because it is an Aristo forum. They are as reliable as any other car if it has been looked after. As much as i like Aristos, id buy the car that you like the most. Im sure if you went on a silvia or skyline forum, they would tell you how great Nissans are.
Id buy the car that suits your needs and does what you want it to do. They are all very different cars.
also depends what ya power goals are as well I mean lets face it VQ35de Engines in newer skylines 400hp limit on stock block are pretty pityfull, Rb25det's around the same rb26's make close to 450-480 when pushed but break shortly after and no need to say much more about the strength of the engines from factoryor their inherent oil and ignition Woes.
I must say this tho as from coming from a Hypo 33 Skyline they are exciting knife edge cornering cars with plenty of Grin factor. But from a purely Money and factory Strength factor and the amount Yota's are overly engineered Yota's rule. little cash produces ORSM results with a 2JZ something can't be had with a Rb or VQ.
A expert once said if its a all out power slug fest ya want and it has to be done on Stock parts Go Toyota 2jz, if its high revving race bred engine that will excite on all corners go the Nissan Rb.
Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 2400 Location: Newcastle nsw nsw
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Help me out
TurboMoehican wrote:
V.I.P. Aristo wrote:
-ToM- wrote:
Hey guys,
I was looking at a few cars in the range of VE commodore, Nissan V35, GTS-R R33, R34 GT-T, S15, Galant VR-4 etc when a mate of mine told me hes selling his Aristo.
What i want to know from you guys, is if you were in my position, would you go for the aristo?
Cheers
Tom
Nearly everyone on here will tell you to take the Aristo, because it is an Aristo forum. They are as reliable as any other car if it has been looked after. As much as i like Aristos, id buy the car that you like the most. Im sure if you went on a silvia or skyline forum, they would tell you how great Nissans are.
Id buy the car that suits your needs and does what you want it to do. They are all very different cars.
also depends what ya power goals are as well I mean lets face it VQ35de Engines in newer skylines 400hp limit on stock block are pretty pityfull, Rb25det's around the same rb26's make close to 450-480 when pushed but break shortly after and no need to say much more about the strength of the engines from factoryor their inherent oil and ignition Woes.
I must say this tho as from coming from a Hypo 33 Skyline they are exciting knife edge cornering cars with plenty of Grin factor. But from a purely Money and factory Strength factor and the amount Yota's are overly engineered Yota's rule. little cash produces ORSM results with a 2JZ something can't be had with a Rb or VQ.
A expert once said if its a all out power slug fest ya want and it has to be done on Stock parts Go Toyota 2jz, if its high revving race bred engine that will excite on all corners go the Nissan Rb.
Horse for courses, Tomatoe, Tomato
agree have had alot of cars myself mostly performance cars if you want bang for buck power allways aim for 2jz engine if you love drifting or cornering fast for cheap go with a nissan
would deff own another 180sx sr20 nice strong nissan engine and great nimble fun car never belived before i owned a nissan how good they handle and how easy they are to drift compaird to a toyota in stockish form but would never recomend an rb series motor for anyone have spent alot of time around them with nothing but problems mostly headgaskits ignition and oil presure issues not engerneered as well as 1j-2j engines just stupid things like small diamiter cam retainer bolts badly designed oilpums / pump drivestemprimental ignition systems ect ect
have had several 400+hp jz engines never hurt one one only ever had issues with stock turbos
example of rb series problems was a fully built rb30/25 stroker i had in my r32 skyline drove it for 2 days and smashed the brand new rb25 oil pump replaced that and then had oil drain problems in head and cas decided to fail after fixing everything all in the space of 2 weeks made 430rwhp and was insainly fast and fun but fully forged motor with all bolt ons still had loads of problems _________________
Slowly rebuilding the aristo will get there one day only 2 years in the making lol
if you going to buy a aristo i wouldnt buy a stocker for abit more you could score one with a few goodies on it...........saves the headarches and money too
Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Posts: 161 Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject:
Keep in mind too that at around 100,000 kilometers it probably needs timing belt, water pump, balancer, tensioner bearings and a few seals and gaskets etc... essentially a 100k service. It seems that is why most of them come up for sale around the 100k mark.
Op needed to Tell us what his plan for the car is and what he wants out of it....This forum may be biased but there are ALOT of options in that price range and they all will have there pro's and cons...
Silvia/skyline ect - Fun cars, but small and imo arent the nicest daily (may be a biased opion of the skyline i owned for 4 weeks, as it had a button clutch/no ac/hard collies)
Aristo/bigger import - Something different, strong engine, easily made powerful
Commodore - Everyone has one, in the middle imo, can make easy power aswell and handle better than most aristo but not as good as a skyline/silvia
Ve Commdore - Modern, mostly reliable if you dont get a lemon, lots around
Each would have there pro's and Cons, but none of them tick all the box's imo, and i have owned them all and still get bored of each one and look at other cars
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